A kind of a "dangerous supplement", marked, scarred on a body, post-orgasmically, always, already in anticipation of (a) crisis OR for a desert avec 'agape'. Mindb(l)ogg(l)ing Noise. "Avalanche, would you share my last pursuit?" (Baudelaire)

Sunday, February 11, 2007

On the use and abuse of fancy Lacanian and Derridian terms for 11 year old spit fights

" F.L.A.: Do you think this be a more useful tool--rather than, say, a self/other model--to understand ourselves in the world?

H.W.: So, rather than talk about self and other the idea of garbage or shit or excresence--and it seems one wants to think about are the etymology of these terms, and what we're really talking about here--the prime metaphor is feces and waste products of the body that really give the idea some kind of emotional charge. So that, garbage sort of distances it from the wish fulfillment fantasies and anxieties that really motivate our interest in garbage, which really has to do with the way the body is reconstituted:the healthy body, the unhealthy body and so forth. How you get rid of cancer cells, for example. How do you flush impurities. You know, you get all these natural food freaks that think that if they eat whole grains and honey [laughs], you know, that they can purify their body in some kind of spiritual way. And, therefore, get taken in by the organic food industry. [laughs]Spa fitness. And body building again. I mean it turns into an industry all over again.

F.L.A.: They have coffee enemas?

H.W.: [laughs]Yeah, well this is kind like gourmet enemas, right?[laughs] "

from an interview with Hayden White

25 comments:

senso said...

"I give myself to you, the patient says again, but this gift of my person- as they say- Oh, mystery! is changed inexplicably into a gift of shit- a term that is also essential to our experience." Jacques Lacan

And I always thought that stools are tools dear jester, pretty educational ones anyway :)). I mean really, if you think about it... you get all these bio freaks on the one hand and all the scatology (in every sense) freaks on the other. So inevitably even history has to go through gourmet enemas, don't you think? τελικά, δεν έχω καταλάβει.. το ombrion είναι της ομογένειας;

senso said...

for some reason you cannot see my link in the above comment, so here it is again.

Demetris said...

Poio link?

Ombion is more of a poverty jet-set lounge than anything else. A bit scatty, geographically speaking.



[Gia na men afinoume jai entypwseis - oi tipote allo.]

senso said...

I mean the link through my nick. Εσύ τώρα είσαι ο Δημήτρης, ο jester or both, or have I skipped sth? Μην ανησυχείς δεν αφήνετε εντυπώσεις. Απλά μ' αρέσει να διαβάζω κάτι παραπάνω από την ανομβρία στη γραφή του ελληνικού δημοσιογραφικού μπλόγκιν, η ζωή δεν είναι μόνο είδηση και λογιστική. Έχουν ισοπεδώσει το «συμβάν» (και τις σχέσεις εντός και εκτός του) με τις εγκυκλοπαιδικές περιγραφές της είδησης. Άλλωστε, πιστεύω ότι πάντοτε κάτι αποκομίζεις από τους παλιότερους της ρητορικής τύπου Hayden White.

Demetris said...

Enjoy.

Egw eimai o demetris (the "ombion mastros")
O jester en allos.
Jester, pes geia.

senso said...

I'm sure I will enjoy it. GEIA SOU Jester! Derrida, say hi to Jester. Demetri why do they call you ombion mastros?

Demetris said...

Because "blog administrator" is far too clinical a term for someone in charge only of catering for the occasional ombion party.

My guess is it derives from "Mastora! Allo ena."



Ate jester - milou sou.

jester said...

ne geia sas, ego milo?

senso said...

so this is developing into some form of "trialogue" (just coined it), thank lacan nothing is wrong with you Jester, I thought for a minute that you were too shy. loipon "mastora allo ena" sthn ygeia mas logw ths hmeras, ki an eisai londino pies kai gia mena pou efyga kai erixa mauri petra pisw mou. Jester, mila mou???

Demetris said...

Ivren o pellos ton antipellon tou damesa da.

Will do - but in nyc tomorrow.
Is that ok?

[En na piw gia oulous sas re. Avrio omws.
Simera siderwnw.]

Jester mila mana mou, men antrepese.

senso said...

that's fine for me if it's ok with you. tsiprios eisai more kai omileis perierga? einai h proti fora pou o derrida den katalabainei anhmera malista tou agiou valentinou... o jester tetoia ora tha to giortazei me thn irigaray, den nomizw na drepete. to sidero den to evales sthn briza bre, ti siderwneis???

Demetris said...

Jester?!
Ate na dw.

Indeed; for a trapped within the tympan utterance- as it unfolds- yes, yes, you are spot on re its spatio-linguistic composition.

Thus, " In here, the crazy [pellos] found its Other."

senso said...

Are you tympanizing me Jester? You should be ashamed of yourself.

"I shall measure your text against the truth you are capable of" and then swap your text for your image. Are you sure you can mimic youself in your image as much as you can in your text? Paraphrasing a bit of Jacques D.

Which pellos found his/her Other? Are you my supplement or the pharmakon I have been avoiding so long?

Demetris said...

Egw eimai o Demetris.
[Ftou xana p' arhis me toutin ti syhinsi peri twn kyriwn onomatwn -"the truth, eh, the truth"- mes touton to blog!]



Paw na synehisw to siderwma.

senso said...

Speak to both of you soon. going out, I think (?). Stay put, and Demetris τό 'καψες το ρημάδι το πουκάμισο, καληνύχτα :P

Demetris said...

15 to be exact.
One for each day.

Anonymous said...

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Demetris said...

Nah!
http://www.skype.com/download

senso said...

people always envy a foreign conversation, what do you say derrida? "neg-otium" negotiation meaning "no leisure," it is always an impossibility of negotiation, relations are an un-ease. καλημέρα δημήτρη and jester, I'm not the anonymous fellow/dame hiding behind the comment (just in case you had any such thoughts).

alexandra said...

efien i kkele mou...

jester said...

pellos pou xanaperni anthodesmi tis irigaray

christos said...

oute egw ime o anonimos :0) 'kiria en o antreas pou ekapnize en imoun egw.'

senso said...

hey jester how was your date with Luce, still buying her a garden of roses?? παιζιά ζεεεν κατελεβαίνω τση διάλεκτο my greek is turning awkward! pellos??!

alexandra said...

πελλος - τρελος.
get with the program, yo.

senso said...

"get with the program, yo" means???

does one have to enrol on some kind of course to learn this dialect, alexandra? ;D-kidding

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